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		<title>By: bluematilda</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluematilda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fatty you must continue!!  reading your blog, admittedly later in the day, not while i was watching the race, caused me to laugh out loud...and then proceed to read what you had written out loud to my husband who also had a chuckle.  i look forward to the next time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fatty you must continue!!  reading your blog, admittedly later in the day, not while i was watching the race, caused me to laugh out loud&#8230;and then proceed to read what you had written out loud to my husband who also had a chuckle.  i look forward to the next time!</p>
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		<title>By: Miles Archer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts in random order

We had weeks of awesome weather in January, yet for the Tour, it was pissing down rain for the Northern stages. I was sick and couldn&#039;t go stand in the rain for hours to watch 30 seconds of cycling.

There were no truly epic climbs. I know it&#039;s early in the season and the Sierra&#039;s are out for February, but it would have been cool to have some kind of real mountain action. Is there a paved road up the side of Mt. Whitney? 

They missed my county entirely and other than a few miles of the Silverado trail (with no video due to weather) I&#039;ve not ridden a single mile of any of the stages. I wish they could have ridden something like Morgan Territory Road, up and over the lower half of Mt. Diablo, climb South Park Dr in Tilden, McEwen or Pig Farm in Martinez or some other Contra Costa or Alameda ride.

They have to do something about the idiots who crowd the road during the race. It&#039;s a miracle that no rider went down because of a spectator.

And Versus, on the last stage, they were showing a bike race in Middle East rather than show the race live. What the heck was that about?

While it&#039;s nice for the local boy to win the race, it would also be nice to someone other than Levi win. I rooted for him, but one of these days it would be nice to have some Italian or Aussie capture the hearts of the people of California and win the race in a dramatic fashion.

Anyway, enough of my babbling. I enjoyed both the race and your coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts in random order</p>
<p>We had weeks of awesome weather in January, yet for the Tour, it was pissing down rain for the Northern stages. I was sick and couldn&#8217;t go stand in the rain for hours to watch 30 seconds of cycling.</p>
<p>There were no truly epic climbs. I know it&#8217;s early in the season and the Sierra&#8217;s are out for February, but it would have been cool to have some kind of real mountain action. Is there a paved road up the side of Mt. Whitney? </p>
<p>They missed my county entirely and other than a few miles of the Silverado trail (with no video due to weather) I&#8217;ve not ridden a single mile of any of the stages. I wish they could have ridden something like Morgan Territory Road, up and over the lower half of Mt. Diablo, climb South Park Dr in Tilden, McEwen or Pig Farm in Martinez or some other Contra Costa or Alameda ride.</p>
<p>They have to do something about the idiots who crowd the road during the race. It&#8217;s a miracle that no rider went down because of a spectator.</p>
<p>And Versus, on the last stage, they were showing a bike race in Middle East rather than show the race live. What the heck was that about?</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s nice for the local boy to win the race, it would also be nice to someone other than Levi win. I rooted for him, but one of these days it would be nice to have some Italian or Aussie capture the hearts of the people of California and win the race in a dramatic fashion.</p>
<p>Anyway, enough of my babbling. I enjoyed both the race and your coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: steveb</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How &#039;bout that &#039;rewind the tape!&#039; moment in Hum&#039;s done-my-preride aside during Palomar climb narration: &quot;and the other thing that makes this climb interesting Phil, as I told you, earlier on this week--I DID THIS CLIMB ABOUT A MONTH AGO--is that it&#039;s actually in two sections. You go through this section, the lower part where the grading isn&#039;t as bad...then there&#039;s actually a false flat for a little bit, in fact even a little bit downhill and then you go into the major section, the final section, where those 21 turns are.&quot;   Next up: Mont Ventoux?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How &#8217;bout that &#8216;rewind the tape!&#8217; moment in Hum&#8217;s done-my-preride aside during Palomar climb narration: &#8220;and the other thing that makes this climb interesting Phil, as I told you, earlier on this week&#8211;I DID THIS CLIMB ABOUT A MONTH AGO&#8211;is that it&#8217;s actually in two sections. You go through this section, the lower part where the grading isn&#8217;t as bad&#8230;then there&#8217;s actually a false flat for a little bit, in fact even a little bit downhill and then you go into the major section, the final section, where those 21 turns are.&#8221;   Next up: Mont Ventoux?!?</p>
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		<title>By: DaBigKahuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaBigKahuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hits:
Tour Tracker! Best way to watch a race from work!
Fatty Live Blogging
Bob Roll shaving his head for a good cause!

Misses:
Hummer sux.... sux really bad!!
VS cutting away before the stage was over... other than that VS coverage was pretty darn good.
Bimbo Comedian... drop her like a bad habit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hits:<br />
Tour Tracker! Best way to watch a race from work!<br />
Fatty Live Blogging<br />
Bob Roll shaving his head for a good cause!</p>
<p>Misses:<br />
Hummer sux&#8230;. sux really bad!!<br />
VS cutting away before the stage was over&#8230; other than that VS coverage was pretty darn good.<br />
Bimbo Comedian&#8230; drop her like a bad habit.</p>
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		<title>By: bubbaseadog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubbaseadog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if your gonna have female commentary let it be selene yeager she knows her stuff both mental and oh yes she is very physical thats why bicycling mag. calls her the fit chick. how bout that fat man.....back to you phil and paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if your gonna have female commentary let it be selene yeager she knows her stuff both mental and oh yes she is very physical thats why bicycling mag. calls her the fit chick. how bout that fat man&#8230;..back to you phil and paul.</p>
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		<title>By: bikesgonewild</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikesgonewild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...as a cyclist, knowing that there were first time viewers of the sport watching &#039;versus&#039;, i found rasika &#039;what&#039;s her face&#039; to be awkward, annoying &amp; embarrassing...

...all we need are liggett, sherwin &amp; roll in the booth w/ maybe a ventura or an andreau asking the questions from the field...we saw, what ???...a total of 10 min of bob roll all week ???...dumb...

...trautwig vs hummer...trautwig&#039;s job is to ask the questions that the uninformed might like to know but he does it in a manner that sez he&#039;s a fan, not just of the sport but of his erudite broadcast partners as well...
...hummer&#039;s job is the same but he plays it as if ligget &amp; sherwin are only there to compliment his work...&amp; i find both his work &amp; his style to be annoying...
...at least that&#039;s my take on what i hear...

...re:- hummer...&lt;i&gt;&quot;Maybe he’s good as a hockey commentator?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;...no, no, no, no, no...
...as a lifelong hockey fan (&amp; as a lifelong cyclist who was appalled by the cutaway from the race), i&#039;d say, no, not even close...that&#039;s considered to be the hardest job in sports broadcasting...listen to the seamless flow of mike &#039;doc&#039; emrick sometime...even if you don&#039;t know the game, doc will have you appreciating it...

...anyway, to finish up...versus one hour evening rebroadcast was very poorly edited...they&#039;d show the roll-out, maybe 15 seconds of what had been at least interesting action &amp;/or scenery, leave huge gaps &amp; then go staight to the last 40 minutes of the race...even on the long flat run-ins w/ virtually nothing happening...

...c&#039;mon guys...we appreciate that you&#039;re giving us the race but get some cycling enthusiasts manning the work stations...directors, editors, whatnot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;as a cyclist, knowing that there were first time viewers of the sport watching &#8216;versus&#8217;, i found rasika &#8216;what&#8217;s her face&#8217; to be awkward, annoying &amp; embarrassing&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;all we need are liggett, sherwin &amp; roll in the booth w/ maybe a ventura or an andreau asking the questions from the field&#8230;we saw, what ???&#8230;a total of 10 min of bob roll all week ???&#8230;dumb&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;trautwig vs hummer&#8230;trautwig&#8217;s job is to ask the questions that the uninformed might like to know but he does it in a manner that sez he&#8217;s a fan, not just of the sport but of his erudite broadcast partners as well&#8230;<br />
&#8230;hummer&#8217;s job is the same but he plays it as if ligget &amp; sherwin are only there to compliment his work&#8230;&amp; i find both his work &amp; his style to be annoying&#8230;<br />
&#8230;at least that&#8217;s my take on what i hear&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;re:- hummer&#8230;<i>&#8220;Maybe he’s good as a hockey commentator?&#8221;</i>&#8230;no, no, no, no, no&#8230;<br />
&#8230;as a lifelong hockey fan (&amp; as a lifelong cyclist who was appalled by the cutaway from the race), i&#8217;d say, no, not even close&#8230;that&#8217;s considered to be the hardest job in sports broadcasting&#8230;listen to the seamless flow of mike &#8216;doc&#8217; emrick sometime&#8230;even if you don&#8217;t know the game, doc will have you appreciating it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;anyway, to finish up&#8230;versus one hour evening rebroadcast was very poorly edited&#8230;they&#8217;d show the roll-out, maybe 15 seconds of what had been at least interesting action &amp;/or scenery, leave huge gaps &amp; then go staight to the last 40 minutes of the race&#8230;even on the long flat run-ins w/ virtually nothing happening&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;c&#8217;mon guys&#8230;we appreciate that you&#8217;re giving us the race but get some cycling enthusiasts manning the work stations&#8230;directors, editors, whatnot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Craig Hummer isn&#039;t Kristen Gum...remember her from TDF coverage a few years back? She was the worst!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Craig Hummer isn&#8217;t Kristen Gum&#8230;remember her from TDF coverage a few years back? She was the worst!</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you cut out the last 15 minutes of a hockey game to show the start of a bike race, would there be any backlash?  C&#039;mon Versus, get your head out of your ass.  If you decide to air a bike race, air a friggin&#039; bike race.  The highlights of the start of a hockey game can be covered during breaks, or while Hummer is talking.  Maybe he&#039;s good as a hockey commentator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you cut out the last 15 minutes of a hockey game to show the start of a bike race, would there be any backlash?  C&#8217;mon Versus, get your head out of your ass.  If you decide to air a bike race, air a friggin&#8217; bike race.  The highlights of the start of a hockey game can be covered during breaks, or while Hummer is talking.  Maybe he&#8217;s good as a hockey commentator?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the people asking if VS is doing the Giro: according to Bobke (he talked at our local shop before the ToC) VS was working on getting the rights for this year when Lance announced his comeback. So all of a sudden there was a huge interest from whoever had the rights before. VS is still working on it, but Bob didn&#039;t sound very optomistic. 

Loved your coverage of the race Fatty! That and the Amgen live tracker kept me going thru the workweek. I don&#039;t recall the TDF VS coverage being so horrid (missing finishes, climbs, wrecks). Maybe they have a diff crew working it behind the scenes (ie: inexperienced). Don&#039;t recall last years ToC sucking so bad either, but I also recall Bobke being IN THE BOOTH with Phil and Paul...which would make it OH SO MUCH BETTER. Can&#039;t possibly fathom why the suits at VS think Hummer is &#039;the man&#039; to have in the booth with P&amp;P...when they&#039;ve got Bob out doing little spots here and there. Maybe they&#039;re trying to bring over some Nascar/bullriding fans to cycling? 

And comedy girl was simply HORRID! Thank god for my DVR...able to swoosh over her dumb-ass lame spots. They (VS) need to get Robbie Ventura doing the spots and put Bob back in the booth. Simple solution. And if you want actual comedy spots, get Billy Crystal or Robin Williams (a cycling fan). Hell...Joe the Plumber would be infinetly better than what&#039;s-her name. Overall it was the worst VS coverage of the 4 tours so far, but the best field and some of the best racing. 

And as to mt-top finish...they need to add another stage next year, and do the same stage to Mt. Palomar only finish it there on top. THEN have the final 9th stage down near San Diego. There is lots of good area around Laguna for climbs, and a finish in downtown SD or suburb would be pretty cool. Bring in many more tens-of-thousands of spectators, and we would get the bitchin&#039; mt-top finish on Palomar...making it a meaningful stage for the GC guys with real potential for disaster if you don&#039;t climb out front with the breakaway for the man in yellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the people asking if VS is doing the Giro: according to Bobke (he talked at our local shop before the ToC) VS was working on getting the rights for this year when Lance announced his comeback. So all of a sudden there was a huge interest from whoever had the rights before. VS is still working on it, but Bob didn&#8217;t sound very optomistic. </p>
<p>Loved your coverage of the race Fatty! That and the Amgen live tracker kept me going thru the workweek. I don&#8217;t recall the TDF VS coverage being so horrid (missing finishes, climbs, wrecks). Maybe they have a diff crew working it behind the scenes (ie: inexperienced). Don&#8217;t recall last years ToC sucking so bad either, but I also recall Bobke being IN THE BOOTH with Phil and Paul&#8230;which would make it OH SO MUCH BETTER. Can&#8217;t possibly fathom why the suits at VS think Hummer is &#8216;the man&#8217; to have in the booth with P&amp;P&#8230;when they&#8217;ve got Bob out doing little spots here and there. Maybe they&#8217;re trying to bring over some Nascar/bullriding fans to cycling? </p>
<p>And comedy girl was simply HORRID! Thank god for my DVR&#8230;able to swoosh over her dumb-ass lame spots. They (VS) need to get Robbie Ventura doing the spots and put Bob back in the booth. Simple solution. And if you want actual comedy spots, get Billy Crystal or Robin Williams (a cycling fan). Hell&#8230;Joe the Plumber would be infinetly better than what&#8217;s-her name. Overall it was the worst VS coverage of the 4 tours so far, but the best field and some of the best racing. </p>
<p>And as to mt-top finish&#8230;they need to add another stage next year, and do the same stage to Mt. Palomar only finish it there on top. THEN have the final 9th stage down near San Diego. There is lots of good area around Laguna for climbs, and a finish in downtown SD or suburb would be pretty cool. Bring in many more tens-of-thousands of spectators, and we would get the bitchin&#8217; mt-top finish on Palomar&#8230;making it a meaningful stage for the GC guys with real potential for disaster if you don&#8217;t climb out front with the breakaway for the man in yellow.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can put up with most of Versus&#039; crap coverage, but NOT cutting the end of a stage (spring stage at that) to go to hockey.  After that, I didn&#039;t trust them, so I mostly quit watching their coverage altogether.  I decided actually getting to watch the end of a stage was more important than work productivity or the convenience of TiVo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can put up with most of Versus&#8217; crap coverage, but NOT cutting the end of a stage (spring stage at that) to go to hockey.  After that, I didn&#8217;t trust them, so I mostly quit watching their coverage altogether.  I decided actually getting to watch the end of a stage was more important than work productivity or the convenience of TiVo.</p>
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