Comments on: 2015 Crusher in the Tushar Race Report, Part 4 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/ It's like reality TV. Except it's real. And there's no TV. Fri, 04 Mar 2022 03:21:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Nancy Russell http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-668013 Nancy Russell Tue, 09 Feb 2016 02:54:24 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-668013 Coming from the women who took 6th at Crusher last year and was knocked off the podium by Amy, I was ticked! She should have raced pro and she signed up again this year in the same age group category! I think it's lame. If your a pro in any field of bike racing, you are a pro. Coming from the women who took 6th at Crusher last year and was knocked off the podium by Amy, I was ticked! She should have raced pro and she signed up again this year in the same age group category! I think it’s lame. If your a pro in any field of bike racing, you are a pro.

]]> By: Bart the Clydesdale http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-668009 Bart the Clydesdale Mon, 08 Feb 2016 20:50:47 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-668009 Sandbaggers are a pet peeve of mine as well. When I race XC MTB I will sign up in the Clydesdale category when available. As a person who is naturally on the larger side 6'6" right now about 215lbs. I look at those who stand on the Clydesdale podium and see occasionally see guys under 6' and perhaps 190, or less. Do I ever say anything to those guys - no, but I am tempted. Now if I had a forum, say a widely read blog that I wrote, well then I would shout from the roof tops. I am aware that some guys feel that guys who are tall should only be Clydesdale if they are in excess of 250lbs. To this I say at my height I couldn't get under 200lbs unless I looked like a poster child for anorexia. <blockquote>I'm not going to name names (learned that lesson) but I know of a person who is ultra-fit but can -- if she eats an enormous meal and drinks a ton of water and puts on heavy shoes and a coat -- edge into the Athena category for marathons. She regularly wins. I don't think that's cool, and she knows it. - FC</blockquote> Sandbaggers are a pet peeve of mine as well. When I race XC MTB I will sign up in the Clydesdale category when available. As a person who is naturally on the larger side 6′6″ right now about 215lbs.
I look at those who stand on the Clydesdale podium and see occasionally see guys under 6′ and perhaps 190, or less. Do I ever say anything to those guys – no, but I am tempted. Now if I had a forum, say a widely read blog that I wrote, well then I would shout from the roof tops.
I am aware that some guys feel that guys who are tall should only be Clydesdale if they are in excess of 250lbs. To this I say at my height I couldn’t get under 200lbs unless I looked like a poster child for anorexia.

I’m not going to name names (learned that lesson) but I know of a person who is ultra-fit but can — if she eats an enormous meal and drinks a ton of water and puts on heavy shoes and a coat — edge into the Athena category for marathons. She regularly wins. I don’t think that’s cool, and she knows it. – FC

]]> By: Keylin1994 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667902 Keylin1994 Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:19:07 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667902 All you really have to do is Google Amy T's name to find out that she should not be racing in AG. She has raced in Pro bicycles races and beaten Pros(Ali Tetrick to name one). I have to believe that when she enters a race she does not perceive her race to be against her age group, but it is against everyone one else. The fact that a previous commenter point out that she is somehow victimized by being called out for this impropriety is borderline absurd. I agree with Mr. Fatty's assertion that she should not be racing in AG. Her past results in Tri, Road, and Mtn all clearly show that she is an elite athlete and should be racing in the Open/Pro category...that is the reason they have that category. All you really have to do is Google Amy T’s name to find out that she should not be racing in AG. She has raced in Pro bicycles races and beaten Pros(Ali Tetrick to name one). I have to believe that when she enters a race she does not perceive her race to be against her age group, but it is against everyone one else.

The fact that a previous commenter point out that she is somehow victimized by being called out for this impropriety is borderline absurd. I agree with Mr. Fatty’s assertion that she should not be racing in AG. Her past results in Tri, Road, and Mtn all clearly show that she is an elite athlete and should be racing in the Open/Pro category…that is the reason they have that category.

]]> By: Bill Bullard http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667896 Bill Bullard Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:06:36 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667896 Yay for Bill Bullard quotes! [img]http://www.billbullard.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/BillBullard_header_New2016.gif[/img] Yay for Bill Bullard quotes!
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]]> By: Gary Phisher http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667761 Gary Phisher Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:38:17 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667761 It's RIDICULOUS to say Amy should have been anything but an age group racer. After all, she was merely the second-fastest woman overall (including all pro women) when she raced the Boise half IronMan in June 2015. She was (naturally) registered as an age group racer there; how could she know she would dominate all but one woman in the pro field? So clearly she should be an age grouper in the Crusher. http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/events/americas/ironman-70.3/boise/results.aspx?rd=20150613&race=boise70.3&bidid=1080&detail=1#axzz3wmq3VhQX It's JUST PLAIN NUTS to say that Amy should be racing in pro/open division at the Crusher, because she's really new to riding on dirt! (Please ignore that in April 2015 she won her age group [yes, racing in age group division] the XTERRA in NV, qualifying for XTERRA WORLDS in Maui. http://www.jtltiming.com/results/x-veg.html It's JUST NOT RIGHT to say that Amy should be racing among the fastest women in the area. Consider that at the 2015 Fire Road 100: she was only the THIRD fastest woman, overall. http://raceresults.sportstats.us/display-results.xhtml?raceid=26780&status=results&lastname=thornquist Based on these races in the few months before the Crusher, I think it's obvious: She is only a so-so racer. Pack fodder. CLEARLY she belonged in the age grouper category! It’s RIDICULOUS to say Amy should have been anything but an age group racer. After all, she was merely the second-fastest woman overall (including all pro women) when she raced the Boise half IronMan in June 2015. She was (naturally) registered as an age group racer there; how could she know she would dominate all but one woman in the pro field? So clearly she should be an age grouper in the Crusher.
http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/events/americas/ironman-70.3/boise/results.aspx?rd=20150613&race=boise70.3&bidid=1080&detail=1#axzz3wmq3VhQX

It’s JUST PLAIN NUTS to say that Amy should be racing in pro/open division at the Crusher, because she’s really new to riding on dirt! (Please ignore that in April 2015 she won her age group [yes, racing in age group division] the XTERRA in NV, qualifying for XTERRA WORLDS in Maui.
http://www.jtltiming.com/results/x-veg.html

It’s JUST NOT RIGHT to say that Amy should be racing among the fastest women in the area. Consider that at the 2015 Fire Road 100: she was only the THIRD fastest woman, overall.
http://raceresults.sportstats.us/display-results.xhtml?raceid=26780&status=results&lastname=thornquist

Based on these races in the few months before the Crusher, I think it’s obvious: She is only a so-so racer. Pack fodder. CLEARLY she belonged in the age grouper category!

]]> By: linlawlas http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667751 linlawlas Fri, 08 Jan 2016 23:36:35 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667751 Ignore the random "?" :) Ignore the random “?” :)

]]> By: LinLawLas http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667748 LinLawLas Fri, 08 Jan 2016 21:42:06 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667748 “Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding. The highest form of knowledge… is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another’s world. It requires profound purpose larger than the self kind of understanding.” ? Bill Bullard “Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding. The highest form of knowledge… is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another’s world. It requires profound purpose larger than the self kind of understanding.”

? Bill Bullard

]]> By: Arizona Guy http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667739 Arizona Guy Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:12:48 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667739 Living in Boulder, I sometimes see guys on the podium in my AG that I used to read about in magazines, last summer I got chicked by freaking Colleen De Reuck, a multi-time world and national champion who was racing as an AG competitor. I hope for a 'Legends' class for retired pros that still have more talent in their saddle bag than I ever had. Then I say to myself, man up. There are already dozens of categories in every race, awards take forever and we don't need to sub-divide the categories until we all feel recognized. As to calling her out in your blog, it is YOUR blog so you get to make the rules. You've worked hard to build a platform and no reason why you shouldn't be able to voice your opinion. Living in Boulder, I sometimes see guys on the podium in my AG that I used to read about in magazines, last summer I got chicked by freaking Colleen De Reuck, a multi-time world and national champion who was racing as an AG competitor. I hope for a ‘Legends’ class for retired pros that still have more talent in their saddle bag than I ever had.

Then I say to myself, man up. There are already dozens of categories in every race, awards take forever and we don’t need to sub-divide the categories until we all feel recognized.

As to calling her out in your blog, it is YOUR blog so you get to make the rules. You’ve worked hard to build a platform and no reason why you shouldn’t be able to voice your opinion.

]]> By: rb http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667735 rb Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:28:00 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667735 Fatty, another great race report. You do a great job of putting us on the bike with you. Maybe even inside your head a little bit. Sometimes i want to eat a GU in the middle of the report so I don't bonk. Some of my favorite people in cycling love this race -- the ones who truly love to ride, and want others to ride as well. Officially on the list for 2017 Fatty, another great race report. You do a great job of putting us on the bike with you. Maybe even inside your head a little bit. Sometimes i want to eat a GU in the middle of the report so I don’t bonk.

Some of my favorite people in cycling love this race — the ones who truly love to ride, and want others to ride as well. Officially on the list for 2017

]]> By: Shane Dunleavy http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-667729 Shane Dunleavy Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:52:46 +0000 http://www.fatcyclist.com/2016/01/06/2015-crusher-in-the-tushar-race-report-part-4/#comment-667729 Lots of interesting discussion here. LinLawLas makes a very good and accurate point in that this type of public shaming harms the individual and the sport. Plus you don't have all the facts, you have no idea what issues an athlete you call out might be dealing with - Amy has overcome obstacles in the past couple years that would have put many out of the sport, and her success that day at the Crusher should be celebrated not belittled. Your post was very personal and deeply upsetting to her and initially made her consider not racing the Crusher this year. She is not going to train for it but is going to race it with me again for fun like she did last year, but she is apprehensive that she will be marked despite the fact that as of right now there are 3 other Cat 1 road riders, 2 Cat 1 cyclocross riders, 1 cat 1 MTB rider and even a 37 year old with an international elite license who will be racing in the 36-49 year old field. Looks like its going to be a very tough field and you will have to call out a lot more women next year. Lots of interesting discussion here. LinLawLas makes a very good and accurate point in that this type of public shaming harms the individual and the sport. Plus you don’t have all the facts, you have no idea what issues an athlete you call out might be dealing with – Amy has overcome obstacles in the past couple years that would have put many out of the sport, and her success that day at the Crusher should be celebrated not belittled.

Your post was very personal and deeply upsetting to her and initially made her consider not racing the Crusher this year. She is not going to train for it but is going to race it with me again for fun like she did last year, but she is apprehensive that she will be marked despite the fact that as of right now there are 3 other Cat 1 road riders, 2 Cat 1 cyclocross riders, 1 cat 1 MTB rider and even a 37 year old with an international elite license who will be racing in the 36-49 year old field. Looks like its going to be a very tough field and you will have to call out a lot more women next year.

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